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		<title>By: Cara Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://melissawiley.com/blog/2006/03/22/home-education-delicious-and-nutritious/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support homev schooling and when I have kids I am thinking of using this type of schooling.My husband is thinking the same too.
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		<title>By: Petits Haricots</title>
		<link>http://melissawiley.com/blog/2006/03/22/home-education-delicious-and-nutritious/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Petits Haricots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Breathing in the Sky&lt;/strong&gt;

Nursery day today, so kids have been there moslty. Last day tomorrow.
It was Stringbeans last Ballet clss of the term, turned up there a found that it was a session for parents to sit in on while they should us the sort of things they ahd been d...
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<p>Nursery day today, so kids have been there moslty. Last day tomorrow.<br />
It was Stringbeans last Ballet clss of the term, turned up there a found that it was a session for parents to sit in on while they should us the sort of things they ahd been d&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://melissawiley.com/blog/2006/03/22/home-education-delicious-and-nutritious/#comment-656</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lissa.  I just happend upon your blog here and I am going to add it to my favorites.  This was such an informative post.  I have two children (so far) under 2 and we are consitering homeschooling for their future.  For a long time I really opposed the idea and was completely closed-minded to the whole idea and I didn't know why.  It came down to selfishness.  I think that our Lord is calling me to something that I didn't want to do, and at first I was really unhappy about that, but the more I learn about homeschooling the more excited I get!  I think you make some great points about socialization because I think that people in general are just unaware and uneducated, I know I was.  Thanks and God bless!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lissa.  I just happend upon your blog here and I am going to add it to my favorites.  This was such an informative post.  I have two children (so far) under 2 and we are consitering homeschooling for their future.  For a long time I really opposed the idea and was completely closed-minded to the whole idea and I didn&#8217;t know why.  It came down to selfishness.  I think that our Lord is calling me to something that I didn&#8217;t want to do, and at first I was really unhappy about that, but the more I learn about homeschooling the more excited I get!  I think you make some great points about socialization because I think that people in general are just unaware and uneducated, I know I was.  Thanks and God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://melissawiley.com/blog/2006/03/22/home-education-delicious-and-nutritious/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lissa,

You asked whether or not my wife, in her culinary arts program in a large public school system, was "bound by the same curriculum and procedural restrictions as teachers of core subjects."  Of course she is, though neither she nor I would choose the word "bound" to represent a teacher's relationship to curriculum.
My wife utilizes the National ProStart Program and with that comes tests on national standards at the end of the 11th and 12th grade years.

I do not want to get into any sort of comparison between homeschooling and teaching in public and private schools.  As I said in my earlier posting, I don't know much about homeschooling.  I only know what I have heard from people who do it, websites I have read, and online curriculm I have investigated regarding teaching writing at home, and that in no way is a substitute for the experience of teaching in homeschool.  Any opinion I would have would be immediately invalid because of my lack of real experience.  The same applies to teaching in public and private schools.  Unless you have actually done it, any opinion you form is just based on the experiences of others which is a hollow and useless substitute for the real experience.

As an example, like you,I am no fan of grades, yet I issue them.  I in no way find that a barrier to my relationship with my students or their relationship to knowledge.  I don't find them a particularly useful way of evaluating a student or a particularly enlightening way for a student to demonstrate his learning, but I don't find them barriers either.  I also teach the International Baccalaureate.  If you know that program, you know that at the end of it students face comprehensive oral and written exams based in a large part on work done in 11th and 12th grade.  I in no way find those looming exams barriers or restrictive.  I teach as I teach and the exams take care of themselves.  My wife, I assure you, does much the same.
My son and daughter attend public school, though they are in a different public school system than the one in which my wife teaches.  The county curriculum is highly structured and the students do have to take state standardized tests, but I see none of the relentless drill you reference above, and I follow their curriculum very closely.
But back to barriers... My experience is that the most intrusive barriers are those set by teachers themselves, not by boards or administration.  Any good teacher can make any curriculum exciting.  And frankly, if a teacher doesn't believe in what he is teaching, he shouldn't be doing it.  Curriculum doesn't come as a surprise.  Anyhow, all good teaching comes not from a teacher's relationship with his curriuculm but his relationship to his students.  I know I have wanted to take my students places they were not willing to go and I either forced the issue or could not find a way to make the trip exciting, and I should have backtracked, started over, abandoned ship, so to speak, but on and on I went.  In such cases these were times when I placed an unnecessary barrier between my students and me, between my students and knowledge, and I had to find a way to sort that out and of course my students assisted in that process even during the times I let them down.

Lastly, I do not view teaching in public and private school as being institutional.  Institutions may set curriculum.  Insitituions may make demands.  But individuals teach. Institutions do not. There's a huge difference.

Tom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lissa,</p>
<p>You asked whether or not my wife, in her culinary arts program in a large public school system, was &#8220;bound by the same curriculum and procedural restrictions as teachers of core subjects.&#8221;  Of course she is, though neither she nor I would choose the word &#8220;bound&#8221; to represent a teacher&#8217;s relationship to curriculum.<br />
My wife utilizes the National ProStart Program and with that comes tests on national standards at the end of the 11th and 12th grade years.</p>
<p>I do not want to get into any sort of comparison between homeschooling and teaching in public and private schools.  As I said in my earlier posting, I don&#8217;t know much about homeschooling.  I only know what I have heard from people who do it, websites I have read, and online curriculm I have investigated regarding teaching writing at home, and that in no way is a substitute for the experience of teaching in homeschool.  Any opinion I would have would be immediately invalid because of my lack of real experience.  The same applies to teaching in public and private schools.  Unless you have actually done it, any opinion you form is just based on the experiences of others which is a hollow and useless substitute for the real experience.</p>
<p>As an example, like you,I am no fan of grades, yet I issue them.  I in no way find that a barrier to my relationship with my students or their relationship to knowledge.  I don&#8217;t find them a particularly useful way of evaluating a student or a particularly enlightening way for a student to demonstrate his learning, but I don&#8217;t find them barriers either.  I also teach the International Baccalaureate.  If you know that program, you know that at the end of it students face comprehensive oral and written exams based in a large part on work done in 11th and 12th grade.  I in no way find those looming exams barriers or restrictive.  I teach as I teach and the exams take care of themselves.  My wife, I assure you, does much the same.<br />
My son and daughter attend public school, though they are in a different public school system than the one in which my wife teaches.  The county curriculum is highly structured and the students do have to take state standardized tests, but I see none of the relentless drill you reference above, and I follow their curriculum very closely.<br />
But back to barriers&#8230; My experience is that the most intrusive barriers are those set by teachers themselves, not by boards or administration.  Any good teacher can make any curriculum exciting.  And frankly, if a teacher doesn&#8217;t believe in what he is teaching, he shouldn&#8217;t be doing it.  Curriculum doesn&#8217;t come as a surprise.  Anyhow, all good teaching comes not from a teacher&#8217;s relationship with his curriuculm but his relationship to his students.  I know I have wanted to take my students places they were not willing to go and I either forced the issue or could not find a way to make the trip exciting, and I should have backtracked, started over, abandoned ship, so to speak, but on and on I went.  In such cases these were times when I placed an unnecessary barrier between my students and me, between my students and knowledge, and I had to find a way to sort that out and of course my students assisted in that process even during the times I let them down.</p>
<p>Lastly, I do not view teaching in public and private school as being institutional.  Institutions may set curriculum.  Insitituions may make demands.  But individuals teach. Institutions do not. There&#8217;s a huge difference.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks, it's really good to have your insight here, and encouraging to hear about the fires burning in your classroom. What I'm wondering, and I'd love to hear from more teachers on this, is how your experience as a private school teacher (and your wife's as a culinary arts teacher) differs from the experiences of public school teachers. (I'm assuming, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, that as the teacher of an elective your wife isn't bound by the same curriculum and procedural restrictions as teachers of core subjects.) I have one other friend who teaches at a private school, and his description of teaching is much like yours. My friends who teach at public elementary schools (one in NC, one in CO, and one in VA) describe an altogether different experience. They are repeatedly and intensely frustrated by the limitations imposed on them—mainly by standardized testing and NCLB. They don't walk into the classroom thinking "today I'm going to fill buckets," but they describe a struggle to light fires under the constraints of mandatory bucket-filling, if I'm not stretching the metaphor too far. I read similar complaints on the blogs of public school teachers.

I hold teachers in very high regard, especially public school teachers who persevere to kindle sparks of enthusiasm in their students despite the relentless drill required by teaching to the test. I wholeheartedly admire the men and women who pour themselves into this work. It is important work.

But what I'm hearing from public school teachers is that it is frustrating work as well. In my post I wrote about the barriers that institutional education can place between the teacher and the student, or between the student and knowledge. I really do wish those barriers could be removed. Every student and every teacher deserves the kind of exciting and thrilling learning experience you describe.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks, it&#8217;s really good to have your insight here, and encouraging to hear about the fires burning in your classroom. What I&#8217;m wondering, and I&#8217;d love to hear from more teachers on this, is how your experience as a private school teacher (and your wife&#8217;s as a culinary arts teacher) differs from the experiences of public school teachers. (I&#8217;m assuming, and please correct me if I&#8217;m mistaken, that as the teacher of an elective your wife isn&#8217;t bound by the same curriculum and procedural restrictions as teachers of core subjects.) I have one other friend who teaches at a private school, and his description of teaching is much like yours. My friends who teach at public elementary schools (one in NC, one in CO, and one in VA) describe an altogether different experience. They are repeatedly and intensely frustrated by the limitations imposed on them—mainly by standardized testing and NCLB. They don&#8217;t walk into the classroom thinking &#8220;today I&#8217;m going to fill buckets,&#8221; but they describe a struggle to light fires under the constraints of mandatory bucket-filling, if I&#8217;m not stretching the metaphor too far. I read similar complaints on the blogs of public school teachers.</p>
<p>I hold teachers in very high regard, especially public school teachers who persevere to kindle sparks of enthusiasm in their students despite the relentless drill required by teaching to the test. I wholeheartedly admire the men and women who pour themselves into this work. It is important work.</p>
<p>But what I&#8217;m hearing from public school teachers is that it is frustrating work as well. In my post I wrote about the barriers that institutional education can place between the teacher and the student, or between the student and knowledge. I really do wish those barriers could be removed. Every student and every teacher deserves the kind of exciting and thrilling learning experience you describe.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your enthusiastic post with great interest and pleasure. I do not homeschool my children and I do not come close to fully understanding what goes into homeschooling one's children. But I do understand your reactions to prejudices against homeschooling as they are based on suppositions and inexperience, and I imagine your experiences easily dismiss them for what they are. I have a tremendous amount of respect for those who homeschool, perhaps mainly because I know those folks are doing something I could not do, at least not do well.
I do want to comment on one point you made a few times in your excellent post. I have been an English teacher in a private school now for twenty-three years and my wife has been teaching culinary arts for twenty years in a large public school system. My comments below are based on my own experiences, but I doubt my wife, who is taking a student culinary team to a national competition next month having just won at the state level for the second year in a row, would disagree with much in relation to her teaching experiences.

I have never had a day that began with the knowledge that I would spend it filling a bucket, and while some days have surely been difficult I have had none that ended with my thinking that's all I accomplished either.
What a dreary couple of decades I would have had, had that been all I thought I had accomplished, experienced and shared with my students.
Teaching is exciting, thrilling, and rejuvenating work. It is more than that. It's a way of life, an identity. I do not see myself as teacher morning through afternoon and then another person in the evening. I am a teacher and the fires that keep that burning come not so much from some stubborn force within me but from experiences shared in the classroom.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your enthusiastic post with great interest and pleasure. I do not homeschool my children and I do not come close to fully understanding what goes into homeschooling one&#8217;s children. But I do understand your reactions to prejudices against homeschooling as they are based on suppositions and inexperience, and I imagine your experiences easily dismiss them for what they are. I have a tremendous amount of respect for those who homeschool, perhaps mainly because I know those folks are doing something I could not do, at least not do well.<br />
I do want to comment on one point you made a few times in your excellent post. I have been an English teacher in a private school now for twenty-three years and my wife has been teaching culinary arts for twenty years in a large public school system. My comments below are based on my own experiences, but I doubt my wife, who is taking a student culinary team to a national competition next month having just won at the state level for the second year in a row, would disagree with much in relation to her teaching experiences.</p>
<p>I have never had a day that began with the knowledge that I would spend it filling a bucket, and while some days have surely been difficult I have had none that ended with my thinking that&#8217;s all I accomplished either.<br />
What a dreary couple of decades I would have had, had that been all I thought I had accomplished, experienced and shared with my students.<br />
Teaching is exciting, thrilling, and rejuvenating work. It is more than that. It&#8217;s a way of life, an identity. I do not see myself as teacher morning through afternoon and then another person in the evening. I am a teacher and the fires that keep that burning come not so much from some stubborn force within me but from experiences shared in the classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just discovered your blog, and wow, what a great post!  My husband and I plan to homeschool our children, and we really appreciated your insight and humor.  Thanks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered your blog, and wow, what a great post!  My husband and I plan to homeschool our children, and we really appreciated your insight and humor.  Thanks!</p>
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